Lark Hill: Lark Hill Training Centre Monday 16, May 2016
Meeting Type: Country (Non TAB MEETING)Rail Position:
Dual Track Meeting: N
Track Type: Turf
Track Condition: Good 3
Weather: Fine
Penetrometer:
Track Information:
Total Number of starters for this meeting (including emergencies) 114
Dual Track Meeting: N
Track Type: Turf
Track Condition: Good 3
Weather: Fine
Penetrometer:
Track Information:
Total Number of starters for this meeting (including emergencies) 114
Race 1 - 12:00AM 2Y-TRL (400 METRES) |
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Of $00. Catch Weight, Two-Years-Old, Apprentices cannot claim. Track Name: Main Track Type: Turf Track Condition: Good 3 RATime: 0:24.18 Timing Method: Manual |
Color | Finish | No | Horse | Trainer | Jockey | Margin | Bar. | Weight | Penalty | Starting Price |
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1 | 1 | MAD MEL | Rhys Radford | Lisa Staples | 0 | 0kg | ||||
2 | 2 | BAG TRADE | Lou Luciani | Jason Whiting | 1.25L | 0 | 0kg | |||
3 | 3 | MASTER MAGICIAN | Darren McAuliffe | William Pike | 2.75L | 0 | 0kg | |||
4 | 4 | BELLE RIVER | Frank Maynard | Shaun McGruddy | 4.5L | 0 | 0kg | |||
7 | HOT SCANDAL | Tracey Diederich | Lisa Staples | 0 | ||||||
2 | MISS SLATER | Lou Luciani | 0 | |||||||
4 | WILLST DU | Dion Luciani | Jason Whiting | 0 |
Race 2 - 12:00AM 2Y-TRL (400 METRES) |
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Of $00. Catch Weight, Two-Years-Old, Apprentices cannot claim. Track Name: Main Track Type: Turf Track Condition: Good 3 RATime: 0:24.46 Timing Method: Manual |
Color | Finish | No | Horse | Trainer | Jockey | Margin | Bar. | Weight | Penalty | Starting Price |
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1 | 1 | INFAMY | Lou Luciani | Jarrad Noske | 0 | 0kg | ||||
2 | 2 | WILLST DU | Dion Luciani | Jason Whiting | 0.25L | 0 | 0kg | |||
3 | 3 | MYCROFT | Duane Kitchingman | Randy Tan (a0/50kg) | 2.5L | 0 | 0kg | |||
4 | 4 | JOYOUS AFFAIR | Darren McAuliffe | Mr Ben Kennedy | 6L | 0 | 0kg | |||
5 | 5 | CITYCITY BANGBANG | Frank Maynard | Shaun McGruddy | 6.75L | 0 | 0kg | |||
6 | 6 | HOT SCANDAL | Tracey Diederich | Lisa Staples | 8.25L | 0 | 0kg | |||
7 | IZZY | Vernon Brockman | Mr Ryan Hill | 0 | ||||||
3 | ANARA | Rhys Radford | Lisa Staples | 0 | ||||||
4 | SCHULZ | Dion Luciani | Mr Willie White | 0 |
Race 3 - 12:00AM 2Y-TRL (950 METRES) |
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Of $00. Catch Weight, Two-Years-Old, Apprentices cannot claim. Track Name: Main Track Type: Turf Track Condition: Good 3 RATime: 0:59.74 Timing Method: Manual |
Color | Finish | No | Horse | Trainer | Jockey | Margin | Bar. | Weight | Penalty | Starting Price |
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1 | 1 | A NIGHT IN BANGKOK | Brett Pope | Ms Mollie Clark (a0/53kg) | 0 | 0kg | ||||
2 | 2 | DESERT ORE | Ted Martinovich | Jarrad Noske | 0.75L | 0 | 0kg | |||
3 | 3 | ELEGANT BLAST | Justin Warwick | Lucy Fiore | 1.5L | 0 | 0kg | |||
4 | 4 | JUST LIKE CRYSTAL | Stephen Miller | William Pike | 3.25L | 0 | 0kg | |||
5 | 5 | CASSOWARY STREET | Brett Pope | Ms Kyra Yuill | 4L | 0 | 0kg | |||
6 | 6 | MISS PLANET | Simon Foster | Troy Turner | 5L | 0 | 0kg | |||
7 | 7 | AT THE READY | Adam Durrant | Ms Kate Witten (a0/51kg) | 5.25L | 0 | 0kg | |||
8 | 8 | CARBON LASS | Jeff Pike | Kate Pateman (a0/51kg) | 5.75L | 0 | 0kg | |||
9 | 9 | KATOOMBA | Holly Palmer | Mr Ben Kennedy | 12L | 0 | 0kg |
Race 4 - 12:00AM 2Y-TRL (950 METRES) |
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Of $00. Catch Weight, Two-Years-Old, Apprentices cannot claim. Track Name: Main Track Type: Turf Track Condition: Good 3 RATime: 0:58.53 Timing Method: Manual |
Color | Finish | No | Horse | Trainer | Jockey | Margin | Bar. | Weight | Penalty | Starting Price |
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1 | 1 | MELLIFERA | Dion Luciani | Jason Whiting | 0 | 0kg | ||||
2 | 2 | FEISTY FELIX | Stephen Miller | Lucy Fiore | 2.25L | 0 | 0kg | |||
3 | 3 | PATAPUS | Holly Palmer | Mr Ben Kennedy | 3.5L | 0 | 0kg | |||
4 | 4 | MOONSHYNE | Damian Miller | Mr Patrick Carbery | 5L | 0 | 0kg | |||
5 | 5 | SHIBUYA CROSSING | Adam Durrant | Clint Johnston-Porter (a0/52.5kg) | 5.5L | 0 | 0kg | |||
6 | 6 | DERMOTT | Brett Pope | Mr Takahide Ikenushi | 5.75L | 0 | 0kg | |||
7 | 7 | MAGNASCOPE | Ted Martinovich | Jarrad Noske | 6L | 0 | 0kg | |||
8 | 8 | RIVER RUNS RED | Brett Pope | Ms Kyra Yuill | 7.5L | 0 | 0kg |
Race 5 - 12:00AM 2Y-TRL (950 METRES) |
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Of $00. Catch Weight, Two-Years-Old, Apprentices cannot claim. Track Name: Main Track Type: Turf Track Condition: Good 3 RATime: 0:59.16 Timing Method: Manual |
Color | Finish | No | Horse | Trainer | Jockey | Margin | Bar. | Weight | Penalty | Starting Price |
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1 | 1 | JELANI EXPRESS | Vernon Brockman | Mr Ryan Hill | 0 | 0kg | ||||
2 | 2 | RAGAZZO D'ORO | David Harrison | Mr Patrick Carbery | 2.75L | 0 | 0kg | |||
3 | 3 | TRAIDOR | Adam Durrant | Mr Ben Paterson | 3L | 0 | 0kg | |||
4 | 4 | YUTAKA | Brett Pope | Lucy Fiore | 3.5L | 0 | 0kg | |||
5 | 5 | ARMOURER | Graeme Ballantyne | Jason Whiting | 4.5L | 0 | 0kg | |||
6 | 6 | BURGER TIME | Aaron Bazeley | Mrs Misty Bazeley | 4.75L | 0 | 0kg | |||
7 | 7 | UNDERGROUND DEN | Daniel Pearce | Jarrad Noske | 8.75L | 0 | 0kg | |||
8 | 8 | C'EST PARTI | Chris Stelmach | Troy Turner | 9.5L | 0 | 0kg |
Race 6 - 12:00AM 2Y-TRL (950 METRES) |
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Of $00. Catch Weight, Two-Years-Old, Apprentices cannot claim. Track Name: Main Track Type: Turf Track Condition: Good 3 RATime: 0:58.96 Timing Method: Manual |
Color | Finish | No | Horse | Trainer | Jockey | Margin | Bar. | Weight | Penalty | Starting Price |
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1 | 1 | DELANEY | Brett Pope | Troy Turner | 0 | 0kg | ||||
2 | 2 | NO MORE NONSENSE | Adam Durrant | Clint Johnston-Porter (a0/52.5kg) | 2L | 0 | 0kg | |||
3 | 3 | DIVULGED | Stan Bates | Jason Whiting | 2.25L | 0 | 0kg | |||
4 | 4 | ENZO'S BEST | David Harrison | Mr Patrick Carbery | 4.5L | 0 | 0kg | |||
5 | 5 | BELLA'S IDOL | Daniel Pearce | Jordan Beer-Mallyon | 4.75L | 0 | 0kg | |||
6 | 6 | VEUSES | Graeme Ballantyne | Lucy Fiore | 5L | 0 | 0kg | |||
7 | 7 | FRIARANDICE | Michael Lane | Jarrad Noske | 9.5L | 0 | 0kg | |||
6 | SAVOY QUEEN | Vernon Brockman | Mr Ryan Hill | 0 |
Race 7 - 12:00AM OPN-TRL (950 METRES) |
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Of $00. Catch Weight, Apprentices cannot claim. Track Name: Main Track Type: Turf Track Condition: Good 3 RATime: 0:57.86 Timing Method: Manual |
Color | Finish | No | Horse | Trainer | Jockey | Margin | Bar. | Weight | Penalty | Starting Price |
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1 | 1 | RESONATES | Gavin Slater | William Pike | 0 | 0kg | ||||
2 | 2 | HOBART JONES | Vernon Brockman | Randy Tan (a0/50kg) | 0.05L | 0 | 0kg | |||
3 | 3 | SILVER SPECK | Adam Durrant | Clint Johnston-Porter (a0/52.5kg) | 0.25L | 0 | 0kg | |||
4 | 4 | FUCHSIA BANDANA | Darren McAuliffe | Jarrad Noske | 2.25L | 0 | 0kg | |||
5 | 5 | WHATAPLAN | Brett Pope | Lucy Fiore | 4L | 0 | 0kg | |||
1 | SAVANAROLA | Darren McAuliffe | William Pike | 0 | ||||||
3 | REBEL KING | Darren McAuliffe | William Pike | 0 | ||||||
4 | RAISING DUBAI | Ben Pearce | Lucy Fiore | 0 |
Race 8 - 12:00AM OPN-TRL (950 METRES) |
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Of $00. Catch Weight, Apprentices cannot claim. Track Name: Main Track Type: Turf Track Condition: Good 3 RATime: 0:57.91 Timing Method: Manual |
Color | Finish | No | Horse | Trainer | Jockey | Margin | Bar. | Weight | Penalty | Starting Price |
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1 | 1 | TRULY MAGICAL | Daniel Pearce | Jarrad Noske | 0 | 0kg | ||||
2 | 2 | JACK 'N' SAM | Paul Tapper | Jordan Beer-Mallyon | 0.45L | 0 | 0kg | |||
3 | 3 | MULGA | Bruce Watkins | Jason Whiting | 0.75L | 0 | 0kg | |||
4 | 4 | SINGITONEMORETIME | Duane Kitchingman | Lucy Fiore | 2L | 0 | 0kg | |||
5 | 5 | I WANT IT RITE NOW | Tameeka Brown | Ms Kyra Yuill | 2.25L | 0 | 0kg | |||
6 | 6 | MAHULMO | Brad Graham | Ms Sasha Starley | 3.5L | 0 | 0kg | |||
7 | 7 | SAVANAROLA | Darren McAuliffe | William Pike | 3.75L | 0 | 0kg | |||
8 | 8 | PATRIOT GAMES | Michael Lane | Troy Turner | 4.25L | 0 | 0kg | |||
9 | 9 | BABY BABY | Michael Lane | Noel Rudland | 4.75L | 0 | 0kg |
Race 9 - 12:00AM OPN-TRL (950 METRES) |
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Of $00. Catch Weight, Apprentices cannot claim. Track Name: Main Track Type: Turf Track Condition: Good 3 RATime: 0:59.45 Timing Method: Manual |
Color | Finish | No | Horse | Trainer | Jockey | Margin | Bar. | Weight | Penalty | Starting Price |
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1 | 1 | BOMBER BAY | Ben Pearce | Mr Ben Paterson | 0 | 0kg | ||||
2 | 2 | HASHTAG | Daniel Pearce | Jarrad Noske | 0.25L | 0 | 0kg | |||
3 | 3 | JUICING CARROTS | Alana Williams | Ms Bonnie Palise (a0/52kg) | 0.35L | 0 | 0kg | |||
4 | 4 | I'M A BLUEBAGGER | Bruce Watkins | Troy Turner | 3.25L | 0 | 0kg | |||
5 | 5 | FLYING REPUTATION | Michael Lane | Jordan Beer-Mallyon | 4.25L | 0 | 0kg | |||
6 | 6 | GINGER NINJA | Jody Mclaughlin | Mr Ryan Hill | 7.5L | 0 | 0kg | |||
7 | 7 | DEMURO | Michael Lane | Noel Rudland | 9.75L | 0 | 0kg | |||
4 | FLIRTY LADY | Brad Graham | Ms Sasha Starley | 0 |
Race 10 - 12:00AM OPN-TRL (950 METRES) |
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Of $00. Catch Weight, Apprentices cannot claim. Track Name: Main Track Type: Turf Track Condition: Good 3 RATime: 0:58.35 Timing Method: Manual |
Color | Finish | No | Horse | Trainer | Jockey | Margin | Bar. | Weight | Penalty | Starting Price |
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1 | 1 | MR BEAR | Brad Graham | Ms Sasha Starley | 0 | 0kg | ||||
2 | 2 | BONNY ZARA | Adam Durrant | Clint Johnston-Porter (a0/52.5kg) | 2L | 0 | 0kg | |||
3 | 3 | RADIANT FLYER | Steve Wallace | Craig Staples | 3.75L | 0 | 0kg | |||
4 | 4 | THE DIRECTOR | Trevor Andrews | Jordan Beer-Mallyon | 4L | 0 | 0kg | |||
5 | 5 | RIVE GAUCHE | Michael Lane | Noel Rudland | 4.25L | 0 | 0kg | |||
6 | 6 | ROSEWOOD HILL | Daniel Pearce | Jarrad Noske | 4.75L | 0 | 0kg | |||
7 | 7 | SECRET BRIDGE | Renae Williams | Ms Kyra Yuill | 6.25L | 0 | 0kg | |||
8 | 8 | MILITARY MIGHT | Michael Lane | Troy Turner | 8.25L | 0 | 0kg |
Race 11 - 12:00AM OPN-TRL (950 METRES) |
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Of $00. Catch Weight, Apprentices cannot claim. Track Name: Main Track Type: Turf Track Condition: Good RATime: 0:58.63 Timing Method: Manual |
Color | Finish | No | Horse | Trainer | Jockey | Margin | Bar. | Weight | Penalty | Starting Price |
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1 | 1 | INFATHUATED | Justin Warwick | Lucy Fiore | 0 | 0kg | ||||
2 | 2 | SINGING SKIES | Kevin Anderson | Mr Patrick Carbery | 0.45L | 0 | 0kg | |||
3 | 3 | OUTSPOKEN DUKE | Robert & Todd Harvey | Jason Brown | 0.5L | 0 | 0kg | |||
4 | 4 | BLUE MYTH | Michael Lane | Noel Rudland | 2L | 0 | 0kg | |||
5 | 5 | SON OF A PREACHER | Kellie Grantham | Jarrad Noske | 2.5L | 0 | 0kg | |||
6 | 6 | MISHKEBAB | Brett Pope | Ms Mollie Clark (a0/53kg) | 2.5L | 0 | 0kg | |||
3 | MR AFRICAN | Adam Fairey | Mr Ryan Hill | 0 | ||||||
5 | JOUKAKU | Steve Wallace | Troy Turner | 0 |
Race 12 - 12:00AM 3Y-TRL (950 METRES) |
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Of $00. Maiden, Catch Weight, Three-Years-Old, Apprentices cannot claim. Track Name: Main Track Type: Turf Track Condition: Good 3 RATime: 0:58.17 Timing Method: Manual |
Color | Finish | No | Horse | Trainer | Jockey | Margin | Bar. | Weight | Penalty | Starting Price |
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1 | 1 | ASTRONOMITE | Grant Williams | William Pike | 0 | 0kg | ||||
2 | 2 | JEZZA'S STAR | Graeme Ballantyne | Jason Whiting | 1.25L | 0 | 0kg | |||
3 | 3 | FOXINATOR | Michael Lane | Jordan Beer-Mallyon | 2.5L | 0 | 0kg | |||
4 | 4 | TWO FOR TWENTY TWO | Daniel Pearce | Jarrad Noske | 3.5L | 0 | 0kg | |||
5 | 5 | SENSATORIO | Gary Hitchcock | Brad Parnham | 4.25L | 0 | 0kg | |||
6 | 6 | ACCOUNTABLE | Adam Durrant | Clint Johnston-Porter (a0/52.5kg) | 6.25L | 0 | 0kg | |||
7 | 7 | TRADING ACES | John Parker | Mr Ben Kennedy | 7.75L | 0 | 0kg | |||
8 | 8 | CENTRA SPUR | George Dupre | Mr Patrick Carbery | 10.25L | 0 | 0kg |
Race 13 - 12:00AM 3Y-TRL (950 METRES) |
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Of $00. Maiden, Catch Weight, Three-Years-Old, Apprentices cannot claim. Track Name: Main Track Type: Turf Track Condition: Good 3 RATime: 0:58.08 Timing Method: Manual |
Color | Finish | No | Horse | Trainer | Jockey | Margin | Bar. | Weight | Penalty | Starting Price |
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1 | 1 | MAMA BEAR | Grant Williams | William Pike | 0 | 0kg | ||||
2 | 2 | IMPOSING DREAM | Daniel Pearce | Jarrad Noske | 3L | 0 | 0kg | |||
3 | 3 | DOLLY EM | Dave Miller | Clint Johnston-Porter (a0/52.5kg) | 3.5L | 0 | 0kg | |||
4 | 4 | MYSTIC SONG | Justin Warwick | Lucy Fiore | 4.25L | 0 | 0kg | |||
5 | 5 | THAT BLOKE | Darren McAuliffe | Mr Ben Kennedy | 8.75L | 0 | 0kg | |||
6 | 6 | MORETZ | George Dupre | Mr Patrick Carbery | 12L | 0 | 0kg | |||
7 | 7 | SCORELINE | Chris Stelmach | Troy Turner | 14L | 0 | 0kg | |||
8 | 8 | AMBER'S APPLE | Rod Lewis | Mrs Misty Bazeley | 14.25L | 0 | 0kg |
Race 14 - 12:00AM 3Y-TRL (950 METRES) |
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Of $00. Maiden, Catch Weight, Three-Years-Old, Apprentices cannot claim. Track Name: Main Track Type: Turf Track Condition: Good 3 RATime: 0:58.59 Timing Method: Manual |
Color | Finish | No | Horse | Trainer | Jockey | Margin | Bar. | Weight | Penalty | Starting Price |
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1 | 1 | SNOWY RIVER MEN | Bernie Miller | Mr Patrick Carbery | 0 | 0kg | ||||
2 | 2 | FERG'S GALLOP | Derek Jones | Brad Parnham | 0.75L | 0 | 0kg | |||
3 | 3 | BELLFLOWER | Bob McPherson | Mr Ben Kennedy | 4L | 0 | 0kg | |||
4 | 4 | ARAFURA | Duane Kitchingman | Randy Tan (a0/50kg) | 7L | 0 | 0kg | |||
5 | 5 | KWAZULU | Renae Williams | Ms Kyra Yuill | 9.25L | 0 | 0kg | |||
6 | 6 | LAGERTHA | Brett Pope | Jarrad Noske | 10.5L | 0 | 0kg | |||
1 | MATER REMEDY | Adam Fairey | Mr Ryan Hill | 0 | ||||||
5 | STORMY DANE | Bruce Watkins | Ms Kyra Yuill | 0 |
Race 15 - 12:00AM 4UP-TRL (950 METRES) |
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Of $00. Maiden, Catch Weight, Four-Years-Old and Upwards, Apprentices cannot claim. Track Name: Main Track Type: Turf Track Condition: Good 3 RATime: 0:58.58 Timing Method: Manual |
Color | Finish | No | Horse | Trainer | Jockey | Margin | Bar. | Weight | Penalty | Starting Price |
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1 | 1 | LITTLE TRADER | Graeme Ballantyne | Clint Johnston-Porter (a0/52.5kg) | 0 | 0kg | ||||
2 | 2 | NO SOCKS FRANK | Ron Maras | Mr Patrick Carbery | 0.5L | 0 | 0kg | |||
3 | 3 | AWESOME ADDI | Brad Graham | Mr Ryan Hill | 3.25L | 0 | 0kg | |||
4 | 4 | GOLDMAN BACHS (NZ) | Steven Ryan | Fred Kersley | 6.25L | 0 | 0kg | |||
4 | SHE'S ZEALOUS | Warwick Bradshaw | Ms Fiona Bell | 0 | ||||||
1 | FATHLAINE | Wendy Miller | Mr Danny Miller (Snr) | 0 | ||||||
2 | CRINKLECUT | Robert & Todd Harvey | 0 |
Race 16 - 12:00AM 4UP-TRL (950 METRES) |
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Of $00. Maiden, Catch Weight, Four-Years-Old and Upwards, Apprentices cannot claim. Track Name: Main Track Type: Turf Track Condition: Good 3 RATime: 0:59.17 Timing Method: Manual |
Color | Finish | No | Horse | Trainer | Jockey | Margin | Bar. | Weight | Penalty | Starting Price |
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1 | 1 | KEEP FLAME ALIVE | Ashlea Stelmach | Mr Patrick Carbery | 0 | 0kg | ||||
2 | 2 | MARTAHLIA | Tara Itzstein | Mr Takahide Ikenushi | 0.75L | 0 | 0kg | |||
3 | 3 | SECRET COIN | Michael Lane | Noel Rudland | 1.25L | 0 | 0kg | |||
4 | 4 | RIDERS IN THE SKY | Bob Miller | Kate Pateman (a0/51kg) | 1.75L | 0 | 0kg | |||
5 | 5 | NITRO CAT | Paul Roberts | Mr Ben Kennedy | 4L | 0 | 0kg | |||
6 | 6 | IT'S JACK | Wendy Miller | Mr Danny Miller (Snr) | 8.5L | 0 | 0kg | |||
5 | HIGHLAND JIG | Robert Witten | Ms Kate Witten | 0 |
Race 17 - 12:00AM 3UP-TRL (1450 METRES) |
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Of $00. Catch Weight, Three-Years-Old and Upwards, Apprentices cannot claim. Track Name: Main Track Type: Turf Track Condition: Good 3 RATime: 1:33.44 Timing Method: Manual |
Color | Finish | No | Horse | Trainer | Jockey | Margin | Bar. | Weight | Penalty | Starting Price |
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1 | 1 | IN DA HOOD | Adam Durrant | Clint Johnston-Porter (a0/52.5kg) | 0 | 0kg | ||||
2 | 2 | BENNY | Roney | Fred Kersley | 0.3L | 0 | 0kg | |||
3 | 3 | FOOLSCAP | Jarrad Humphries | Randy Tan (a0/50kg) | 2.5L | 0 | 0kg | |||
4 | 4 | STORMY DANE | Bruce Watkins | Jason Whiting | 4L | 0 | 0kg | |||
5 | 5 | SHE'S ZEALOUS | Warwick Bradshaw | Ms Fiona Bell (a0/54kg) | 17.75L | 0 | 0kg | |||
2 | WAKAHA KID | Steven Ryan | 0 |
New: Apprentice Riding Weight
For all race meetings conducted in WA, the Apprentice Riding Weight will now
be displayed with the Apprentice allowance. The Apprentice Riding Weight
is the riding weight of an Apprentice declared to RWWA Stewards at
time of when acceptances for each Race Meetings.
Apprentices must claim down to (and not below) their notified riding weight.
E.g. Jockey Name (a2/54kg)
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